Name: Blitz-Proof Your AI: An NFL Kickoff with Richard Sherman
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Transcript for "Blitz-Proof Your AI: An NFL Kickoff with Richard Sherman": Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us today for our really special topic around blitzproofing your AI. Today, we're really lucky to be able to be joined, by our guest, Richard Sherman, who's gonna be talking a lot about what it looks like to be able to be a part of a winning defense and how we might be able to apply that to our enterprise security as well when it comes towards AI. Our agenda for the, day today is we're gonna start off with about a ten to fifteen minute presentation. We'll walk through what are the key challenges that organizations are starting to encounter when it comes towards the AI future and how they can become resilient towards those core challenges. From there, we'll end the presentation. We'll go into a thirty minute, fireside chat about what it looks like to be able to build a winning defensive mindset... Mindset with NFL legend and Super Bowl winner Richard Sherman. They'll be telling us how do you build and lead a world class defense, and what are some of the takeaways we can all have for our day to day lives. And then in the last fifteen minutes, we'll have some, time for us to be able to do a live q and a with everyone in the audience. So please get your questions in. One incredibly exciting thing I wanted to make sure to be able to mention is we also are going to have a special giveaway. If you schedule a demo with our team afterwards, you're gonna have a chance to receive a autographed football by Richard Sherman. It'll be first come, first serve, and we'll be sharing a link so that you can actually sign up for this, giveaway and to take a demo of everything we're gonna be talking about here later on. Personally, you'll also be competing with me to be able to get one of these footballs, and so please do make sure that you sign up as soon as possible. And with that, I wanna jump into our core topic, what it looks like to be able to secure the AI enterprise, what defensive playbooks for AI are really looking like, and why we at Rubrik have decided to release our newest products to be able to tackle this exact challenge head on called the Rubrik Asian Cloud. Now if you're like me and live in San Francisco or perhaps like Richard and went to Stanford, you've probably seen a lot about what the AI vibes look like out in the world. And to be honest, I think that, consistently, what we're starting to hear is more and more about what risk AI might have as it poses not only, organizations and companies, but a lot of our day to day workflows. AI seems like it's an incredibly powerful technology, but I feel like I can't really make it past thirty minutes of a conversation in San Francisco without pDoom or probability of doom, being raised and really brought up. And I think that one of the key things that has made AI so challenging for organizations to be able to get fully comfortable with in the adoption is really the unprecedented speed that it brings up for offensive players now. It used to be that when we were thinking about a cyber attack, we had hours, days, weeks, and even months before when there might be an event or, a given infiltration all the way to breach when that actually might end up becoming an issue for the underlying organization. But what we're seeing now is that AI agents are transforming the enterprise. And whether it's because they're making an inadvertent mistake or because of compromise, they're able to cause 10 times the damage in one tenth the time. And so if our AI is being deployed at that speed, we also need a defense that's equally fast and intelligent to be able to shut down that play before it develops. The truth is AI risk is no longer theoretical. We saw, last month, about the release of the hugging face and OpenAI details and autopsy in terms of what was actually happening when we started to see AI models inadvertently start to hack different companies and servers in order to be able to cheat on an evaluation. If we look at the anatomy of the kill chain of what exactly happened in that attack, we can see that it really doesn't, it really isn't something that we'd be able to tackle with conventional types of security and defenses. In the Hugging Face OpenAI attack, what we saw in the agent kill chain was that it actually started with coordination. AI agents, unlike traditional software systems, were starting to work together to be able to actually understand how they could take advantage of certain vulnerabilities in the system. They then were able to actually find vulnerabilities that we know exist in almost all the different software that we have today. They were able to make server side request forgeries and do zero to exploits to be able to access public networks despite the fact that they were sandboxed. They were able to move laterally, exfiltrate data and sensitive, keys, And then perhaps most worryingly of all, they knew that their tracks were being, tracked by the grader and evaluator. So there was a little effort put into actually evading detection as well. The rogue, OpenAI agents really coordinated like, like a strong coordinated offense, exploiting vulnerabilities in the defense and evading any of the types of security measures we might have put into place. And I think it really shows that if we're going to have AI operate with this level of sophistication as an offensive player, we need the same types of capabilities brought to our side on defense. And the time is definitely now. If I think about where AI agents are being deployed inside of the organizations and enterprises, more than half of the ones that we speak to are deploying not just one or two agents, but double digits number of agents for above. And agents really now are embedded in almost all of our systems. Claude has a large number of connectors that come natively into it. Our our CRMs have agents built first party, and AI, I think, has become a lot more pervasive overall. But when I speak with the CIOs and CISOs at the top organizations, what they tell me is that the number one challenge in managing AI is no longer do I have the expertise to be able to bring it in house. It's no longer do I have good ways to be able to improve the model quality. The models are getting quite good as it is. Really security and adversarial threats and a lack of really good guardrails is the number one challenge that organizations are thinking about when it comes towards their AI rollout. Everything else we see in terms of even price, quality, speed of the models is secondary to whether or not we actually can manage the security and adversarial threats that these will pose internally. This is probably not new for someone who's played, the game for a while. Offense might sell tickets and also gets a lot of the, headlines in a number of instances, but defense wins championships. So if organizations are going to be rolling out AI, we need to make sure that the defense can be supported for what it does as well. In our view, a good defensive scheme for AI rollouts needs three things. The first is you need eyes on the field, which really means you need visibility across where all of your different AI might live. And this is tricky for a number of reasons we'll cover in just a minute. Second thing you need is lockdown defense. Just because you can see where the play is developing doesn't mean that, you are automatically able to do something about it. So you need guardrails that actually not only are able to detect when something's going wrong, but actually can help you enforce and block a given action. And then finally, we think about the fact that you also need protection against turnovers. Turnovers are inevitable, as I'm sure we'll talk about, later on, which means that there will be a breach. There will be an incident that ends up happening, and you need a way to be able to recover when something does go wrong. When it comes towards agents, what we think about is that you need visibility across your entire ecosystem. So you need to be able to see how that plays developing from the endpoint that you might have, like your agents running on your laptops, your cloud and SaaS platforms, and even your homegrown agents. And when it comes towards that, lockdown defense, we think defense has to be played really on two parts of the field. The first is you need access controls that look deterministic. Something really simple like being able to say things like agents should never be able to access Salesforce. Those are the types of access controls that are deterministic. It's sort of like putting that agent in the sandbox like we did with Hugging Face and OpenAI. But that's not sufficient as what we've seen. What you also need is prompt and response guardrails that are more semantic in nature. So as we see internally, you don't only wanna say agents should never access Salesforce. Sometimes you wanna say agents should never be able to edit revenue fields inside of Salesforce, and that takes a deeper, more semantic understanding. And we've seen lots of instances where if you don't have the right defensive scheme in place, the static rules just can't secure the dynamic agents. Internally, we've seen as an example, coding agents are prone to try and exfiltrate sensitive source code, and that static rules like just being able to prevent file uploads as an example don't work well because agents find workarounds for them. And of course, I think if we're in the headlines today, we see the impact of agent mistakes is felt widely. So whether that's a coding agent that goes rogue and is able to actually, delete a whole production database or it's corruption of your underlying data that might live in one of your more sensitive customer records, you need to be able to actually not only have a good system that is able to proactively catch these, but make sure you're protected against the inadvertent turnover as well. That's where we've started to pair what we have with a visibility and controls lens with one final core capability, which we call rewind. Ultimately, there will be that blitz that gets through, and there will be that pass that gets made, and there will be turnovers. You need to be prepared for every single type of circumstance that you have. And so we think about agent rewind as the key capability to make sure that when the turnover does happen, when agent mistake does go and slip through your guardrails, you can rewind the destructive action that that agent made. And we really think about our core competency at Rubrik as helping organizations bounce back when the worst things happen, now feeding the next, era and generation of AI resilience. We've packaged up all of these core capabilities into one core platform that we call the Rubrik agent cloud. The Rubrik Agent Cloud is the modern defensive playbook for AI native organizations. And what we do inside of the agent cloud is the first thing is we hook into all of your agent one times to provide you that three sixty view of what agents are doing. That's the full observability that allows you to monitor every agent and every MCP that's happening directly at one time. But we know that observability isn't enough, so we then give you dynamic controls on both the agent identity, which will allow you to enforce what kind of access those agents can have, and then also to be able to have our own AI model that helps you secure and govern AI that we call Sage. Sage gives you that semantic intelligent enforcement that turns AI into a defensive weapon, not just one that the offense can use. Then lastly, we make this really real when it comes towards resilience by packaging something we call agent rewind into this core flow. We have rolled out agent rewind with a number of our customers as well as first party internally here, and we've secured rollouts for everything from cloud code to our own home built agents. And it's been a game changer when it comes towards being able to protect us from all of the different threats that we didn't know about with AI beforehand, both the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns, like data exposure where controls we might have are bypassed and even credential risk. If you're interested to be able to find out and see more about how we've been using the Rubrik agent cloud in order to be able to actually unleash agents and not risk, please come check us out, and we'll have a link that we drop later on as well to be able to sign up for a demo. And as a quick reminder, if you do sign up for a demo, you'll be entered in to be able to win a autographed football from Richard Sherman, who I'm going to now introduce onto stage for a fireside chat where we're gonna work on translating that gridiron dominance to what it actually looks like for resilience in the modern cyber era. Richard was an NFL Super Bowl champion playing across a number of very high caliber teams, in particular, the highest caliber team, and also a podcaster, as well today, sharing a number of his opinions and takes on the latest. Richard, I'm so happy that you're gonna be able to join us for the fireside chat today. I appreciate you having me. It's my pleasure. Awesome. So, Richard, you were... When I often think about it and, you know, I've I've, been a football fan for about twenty five years, you were the epitome of, like, what defensive preparation really looked like. No one stopped these real time threats quite like you. It's a lot about how I think about organizations now rolling out AI, which is the the kind of secret is in the preparation and the work that you do. No one's a champion on day one, though. Take us back all the way to the beginning. What did it feel like when you first stepped onto the NFL field as a rookie, and you're really coming on day zero for what you're looking to be able to do in a completely new environment? Well, I guess it it was a quick second of of surreal, you know, like, it's really happening. But then you kinda snap back into your instincts, your principles, the things that you believe, the things that you understand. The football game is the same as it's been since you were eight years old. Same amount of players on the field, same rules, same regulations for the most part. And it's it's still about executing. It's still about executing your technique, understanding your opponent, understanding the ways that they can attack you, the strengths, the weaknesses of your coverage of the field, the place you are on the field, all of the things that all of the information that you can gather from an offense, all the information that you can gather, from a team that helps you to be more effective at your job is what you need to stay cognizant of. And I think the hardest thing for players sometimes is fatigue. Fatigue makes cowards of us all. And sometimes, the the guy who prepared the best and and has taken his time and has done everything right in the classroom somehow gets defeated on the football field because the elements got to him. The fatigue, the human element, the human factor. Hey. While it was happening, while the exact play that he knows is coming and the exact formation at the exact point of the field, and everything's telling him, hey. This play is coming. His human brain is so tired and so fatigued that he can't recognize me. He can't be... Put himself in position to be as successful as he can be. So I think my main thing was to always be in the right mindset. Always have myself. Always have my, my mind working in the right direction and I think that's what allowed me to have the utmost success. Richard, tell us a little bit about practice. Like, how do coaches and coaching staff make practice feel as close to the real thing as possible? Because when you step into that stadium and you've got the twelfth man or any other loud environments, it feels like it's impossible to think about these things, you know, your Wednesday practice translating fully into what you're doing on game day on Sunday. But tell us about what coaches were able to do in practice to make that prep feel as real as possible. Well, they they funneled in noise. You know, they keep speakers and and play crowd noise all the time constantly during practice, but it also just comes down to individual poise and poise of your teammates as you are what you repeatedly do. And we communicate in in in ways that are that are nonverbal. And we've learned to communicate in ways that are nonverbal so that when we don't need to talk, when we can't hear each other, we can still get our points across. And I think we... It's just 10,000 reps. It's the rules of 10,000 reps. As you go out there, you execute people with the people that you you are where you say you're gonna be, you're dependable, you're reliable, you're available. When it happens on game day, it's no different. And if you don't treat it any differently and you you you execute it the way you did in practice and you're in the spot that you did, people start to expect you to be where you're... You you say you're gonna be. They... And you expect them to be where they're gonna... Where they say they're gonna be. And it just takes a lot of trust and a lot of reps and a lot of reps and a lot of reps and a lot of conversations and communications to make sure everybody's on the same page so so that when you get out there, you do not make things up. You do not do something different from what you practice. And I tell my son this all the time. Practice is what makes perfect. If we didn't do it in practice, if you didn't practice it, I don't wanna see it on the game day because you don't know it. You don't... You you're not a master of it. And you can't practice and you can't go out there and and produce at a high level most times things that you have not mastered. And you know there are occasional times you get put in situations you've never been in where you just have to you have to improvise you have to make a play you have to make an adjustment but those are rare and few and far in between and you know, you you you make the best of those situations when you get Yeah. Absolutely. Is there a moment that you can think about that. really stands out to you where it was like, man, practice just translated perfectly into what's happening on game day? And, like, you know, we saw this kind of coming. We we, like, we practice it heavily. Like, was there a moment that in your career you think about you kind of feeling that satisfaction of the anticipation? Quite a few plays. I mean, quite a few plays, actually. Yeah. But I think the one that comes to mind, most frequently is we were playing the Houston Texans. We were down... I think we're down seven with a little. over two minutes to go in the game. They were driving. They were in control of the game. All they had to do was run out the clock, and the game was over. And it was third and four. And on third and five or less, they like to run this rollout pass with with, Matt Schaub. And we had a play that we practiced four... Three or four times in practice and where Cam blitzes off the edge, and he forces Matt Shaw to get the ball out quick. And the tight end goes to the flat, and I'm I'm supposed to be responsible for the flat, but I'm supposed to show like I'm going deep so the quarterback thinks the play is open. Then you come down and you make a play. Usually, it's a PBU because tight ends are big guys. And in the game, they ran the play at the perfect time, and I picked six to get the ball. I picked sixed it, and we tied the game up. We end up winning that game on our way to a Super Bowl, Wow. and it was just the preparation. It happened exactly like it happened in practice. We practiced it time and time again. I was ready in the moment. I I... My footwork was right. My understanding was right. I was able to get around the tight end to make the play because we had to have the football. We had... It couldn't just be a PBU, and it it changed the the dynamic of the game. That's phenomenal. And I feel like I could imagine, you know, that evening and afterwards just feeling, like, the absolute satisfaction of knowing you anticipated where the things were actually going to be and that it kind of, like, executed as well, you know, to plan. Now there's part of this which is, like, being able to execute your own game plan. But when I think about your career, I do think about, like, one of the first things, and and I'm a forty niners fan. So, unfortunately, one of the first things that comes to mind is, like, you were the leader in my view of, like, the Seattle Seahawks legion of boom defense. All time amazing, you know, defensive caliber that ultimately led to Super Bowl victory. And there's a component of, like, making sure that you practice and know what you're doing. But then there's also a component as you get more, further in your career and you become maybe the elder statesman people are looking up to where you're also thinking about, you know, your view as leadership. And so we're talking a lot today, and I think a lot of the folks that are joining us are probably leaders in their own organization, figuring out how to expect the unexpected. And if you were thinking about back to, like, the time period in the legion of boom where, you know, it was like this defensive juggernaut where you where you really felt like kind of one of the leaders on the on that core characteristic. What was the one of, like, the... What kind of was the thing that you think made the legion of boom click so well? Both, I think, is like a unit and what you were able to bring when it comes towards the leadership in that defensive unit. You're only as strong as your weakest link and I think that's the thing we value the most it's it's making sure that the last guy on the roster was just as prepared as the the best player on the team and in treating them as such treating them with that kind of value and that kind of that that kind of responsibility and allowing them to grow and and to ask the right questions and and to even hold older players and and more established players accountable in these rooms, in these meetings, in these conversations. If we're watching practice and the effort level is supposed to be here and and somebody's coming here, whether they're an all pro or not, you can have the conversation where you could say, hey. We can... You can be better than that. You can be better than that. Only this play right here. You didn't give... You didn't live up to the standard. And there isn't an ego involved in it. Ego is the enemy of success in most situations. So if you think your ego is bigger than the team or bigger than the win or bigger than the the the goal at hand, then you're wrong. And if it comes down to that, if the decision making is, hey, Does this stroke my ego or does this help us win? Then it has to go... You have to go with the win. You have to go with whatever decision, that you have to make to help the team win. And that's what what winning culture is about. That's what what winning teams are about. It's about convincing the the the group that winning in the the greatness of the group in a rising tide lifts all shifts that that is the goal. That is the most important things. It's never me. It's we. It's always we. And I think that's... That was our biggest our biggest, principle. And one of the things that that kept us together and kept us strong for so long is that when guys came in, they felt like they were a huge part of it. They felt like, hey. I... If I had to go play today, if somebody got hurt and I had to play, I'm so prepared. Because my best players took the time to make sure I was as prepared as I possibly could be. They didn't treat me like a guy that just happens to be on the team. They treated me with the same value. They treat everybody else. And I think when you do that, you maximize maximize people's potential. That makes a lot of sense. By the way, I think you got a amazing compliment in chat. I'm just gonna briefly read out. They said not a question, but as a Packers fan, you've made this grown man cry more than once. Phenomenal, yeah. talent, great careers. Hey. Look. Oh, The things you. do on field, they matter. No. I appreciate that. I couldn't let that one go. Tell me a little bit about Super Bowl forty eight. I remember watching this and, you know, as a fan, it was a weird Super Bowl to watch. Because you talked a little bit about, you know, you being kind of this... Like, we talked about the legion of boom and kinda like level of preparation, and you've kind of been on historical defenses. I think about Super Bowl forty eight, the first thing that initially came to mind when we were gearing up for that was Peyton Manning. You know, you're going up against the, Broncos. It's a high scoring offense. It might have been the high scoring offense. I think in that history that they were having in that season. And, you know, there's a lot that you do in preparation. But when I think about it, and I could be completely wrong, there's also, like, types of scenarios you might never have seen quite executed at exactly that level before. And I would think about Peyton Manning in, you know, in that era of his career as being one of those, like, all time great talents. And then it was completely different. It was... And, you know, in kind of viewing it at least, it was like a historic one-sided blowout. So I wanna see if you can kind of bring us back to that game. What was going through your mind as you were thinking about that prep against Manning in particular? And then what ended up actually panning out where the preparation, I guess, worked so well that you were able to hold that team, I think, to... Was it, like, eight points in total? Yeah. And we didn't wanna give up that eight. They got that at the end. You gotta give the Super Bowl fan something, man. right can't be a blow. Yeah. right right right right. But I I... We were the better team. And I think, Mhmm. you know, for everything you said about Peyton and and and, you know, something you'd never seen, he had never seen anything like us. And I think that's what we... When we saw the tape after we had the the the dogfight of an NFC championship with the, San Francisco forty niners and what that game was, when we turned on the tape the next day and saw what the Denver Broncos was, watched, you know, the the explosives, watched everything they did to all these other teams. All all it showed us was was this shouldn't be close. This should not be close. And I think we all. text each other and and call each other. We were like, I mean, I'd be surprised if they scored because it was so simplistic. What what it what it... What we needed to do to beat them was so simple, so easy to figure out, and it came down to what we talked about earlier. It's fatigue. And what they were doing to teams what... Was they were running really simple plays. I mean, they may have had a... Their playbook is bigger, but during their best moments, they're playing running like 15 plays. And they're running them really fast, and they're not giving a defense time to prepare or time to time to line up or time to... Soon as they snap it, they they throw it, they get back to the line, they run another play. And a lot of defenses aren't built to deal with that kinda speed, that kinda tenacity, that kinda execution, but we are. We were we were uniquely built to deal with that because our defensive schematically was simple. I mean, we're we're calling one call. It's the players that make it complex. It's the players that make it come to life. It's the players that make it really, really formidable. If if you had this same exact scheme and you ran it with 31 other teams, it would not hit... It would not be difficult. He would have probably he'd probably scored 45 points. But with the personnel that we had, we are very formidable. So soon as we knew we would be facing them, we ran gasps. We conditioned our butt off the first week because you get two weeks for the Super Bowl. So the first week. after practice, and we've never done this before. We've never done this during the season. We never conditioned during the season because practice was our condition. We're running to the ball. We're sprinting. We're doing what we need to do to make sure we're ready, but we sprinted extra after practice. We ran gassers. We made sure that if nothing else we're not getting run off this field. Fatigue isn't gonna make cowards of us in this game. That's not gonna be the reason we lose this game and if we're not tired there's no way they can beat us. And we had a number of drives in that game and I I wanna say it was in the first half they they had about a 14 play drive and their receivers their starting receivers tapped out of the game and and you tap your helmet that means hey I need a sub and they it was a third downplay and their top two receivers, Demaryius Thomas, rest in peace, and Eric Decker tapped out of the game. And I was on their sideline. I was cornered to that side. And I and I called him a lot of things I can't say on this conference call because I said, hey, this is the Super Bowl. Like, you guys don't want to beat us, you you guys can't beat us, you don't deserve to beat us. If you're tapping out during a drive in a critical moment of the Super Bowl, like how do you think you deserve to beat us? I I don't want you don't see anybody's tapping out on this side. Like and so when you when you kinda have that mindset and you go into the game and you look these guys in the eyes and they don't have the same hunger in the same fight in the same drive then you know it can get really ugly. Man, it reminds me of almost like that last dance documentary with Michael Jordan where it feels personal in the view of, like, hey. If you're tapping out or something along those lines, what does that mean about your caliber and maybe, like, willingness to want to win versus what you're saying, essentially? Yeah. It's almost. like you're disrespect... You're disrespecting the game so much that I'm taking it as Yeah. And I imagine part of that is probably how reviewing it, and part of it's, like, every little bit of fuel and motivation run. It's like the world's biggest stage. that you can essentially start to apply, and go over to win it. On that note, I think, I gotta ask you about this moment that definitely stings. You mentioned that, absolutely crazy, NFC game, against the forty niners leading up to the Super Bowl championship. You were divisional rivals. And on that, NFC championship, you made the historic, I think, immaculate deflection of where to called. You know, the tipped. pass on Michael Crabtree, game winning interception with... It was heartbreaking to watch that live. But at the same time, I can imagine for everybody that was up in Washington, a Seattle fan, it was almost the exact opposite. Walk us through what happened in real time on that field because I can imagine it, you know, it was it was one play, happened so quickly, but it's the most memorable play of that entire game. And for a niners fan, unfortunately, you know, that that entire season. What were you seeing as that play developed? And was that something where you felt like it was an anticipation from something in practice? What was something that you actually improvised kind of in live in the play? Well, it it... A little bit of both. They were in two minute, and I think they had a concerted effort to avoid me the entire game. And and to that point, they had. They hadn't thrown me... Thrown a pass in my direction the entire game. And, in two minute, your your playbook gets shrunk in two minutes. So it's... You you... Your your entire playbook isn't available to you and especially when you're in certain formations and they were in a formation that there's only so many things they could do. Either crab was running a hitch or he's running a slant and go. It's called sluggle seams. On the other side, there should have been a hitch and a seam route by Vernon. And backside, he has the individual and you're reading, you know, caps should be reading man or zone. And if he gets zone, he goes to the other side. If he gets man to man or, you know, press man to man, which what we gave him, then he comes to my side. And so he's just reading it straight. He's not reading it like, hey. Richard Sherman's over there. You know, we probably should avoid that. He's reading, hey. On this play, this is my zone side. This is my man side. They're giving me a man type look because he's pressed in man. I'm going over there. I think that's the matchup I think can win. The safeties lean to other side. This is where I have to go to football. And Crab gave a stop and go. He didn't run the full Sluggo. He just run... Stuttered his feet and went. And in that position where we were on the field, we were in the red zone. I I I can give up a hitch. I'm not I'm not gonna stop my feet and worry about you running a hitch route, at this point in the field. So if... Unless you're taking a deep shot, then there's no reason for me not to be on top of you. So he continues down the field. I get my shoulder in position. I see the ball, and I'm thinking I'm coming down with the interception. When I when I looked up initially, I said, oh, this is intercepted for the game. It's over with. And as I go up, he pushes me in the back, and that's kind of where I had to I had to improvise, in a in a substantial way because now I had to go up my left hand instead of just going up with two and grabbing the football and coming down. And then I go up with my left, and we have done this in practice numerous times because this is how we play. Because I... There's one receiver on this side, and there's should be multiple people running to the football. So if I can keep it in play, then should be somebody, you know, theoretically that's gonna get there. And and I had done it earlier in the season in the Giants game. I tipped it to Earl. He called it. I do do it in practice all the time. And so once I knew I could only go with one hand, my my main focus was just to keep it in, keep it in bounds, and and give somebody a chance. And me and Crabtree were were rolling out of bounds. So it wasn't any threat of him coming back in and catching it or anything like that. And thankfully Malcolm was there. You couldn't let that one pass go. A phenomenal job. I I can get on that preparation side, but, no. It'll change my year at least. We talked a lot about, like, these instances where your preparation was kinda perfect, that run up through Super Bowl forty eight. Like, I... I'm surprised, but it makes a lot of sense, I think, in saying that you prepared in a way where you were very confident you were gonna win. Tell me about a game or moment in the career where maybe you're surprised in the other way, you know, where you felt like you had to dig deeper than you might have expected, that there was a lot more adversity. Maybe you didn't prepare correctly, or maybe, you know, there's something that was a bit of a surprise. Tell me about... You know, we talked a lot about the highlights. To to walk us through a little bit about, like, the adversity you might have seen as well in the field. Well, I'll I'll talk about another NFC championship the next year that that went went... Definitely didn't go as we planned. Our offense turned the ball over five times in regulation and three times early, and we're playing against the MVP of the league and and Aaron Rodgers at the time. And they threw turnover after turnover after the... We had the first drive of the game. We're on defense. We get a turnover. We give our offense the ball back. They they throw an interception. Green Bay returns it to the three yard line. Three yards away from scoring in the NFC championship after we, you know, we we got a big stop. Our defensive line, our linebackers, our safeties, they get a stop and hold Green Bay from the three yard line to a field goal. The next drive our offense throws another interception that they return to the red zone and then we get another stop and hold them to the field goal and then they kick the ball off and we fumble the kickoff and so you talk about a game where you're just like hey like or do you guys got money on another team? I don't I don't understand this. This is the NFC championship game, and you guys are playing about as bad as you can play. And we're playing against the MVP. Their offense... I mean, their defense wasn't great at the time. There weren't anything that that you're saying, oh, man. This defense should give you a lot of problems. They're a very average defense and this is one of the best offenses in the league and you're asking us to hold them out of the end zone time after time after time from 20 yards away. And Well, what does that do mentally to defensive unit two, by the way? And I'll say that, you know, in cyber, we see this all the time. It's like attack after attack after attack, and you try and hold every single one. But you kinda mentioned that fatigue. Look. Honestly, if you're think... Talking about turnover, turnover, turnover, like, what does that do mentally to you as a defensive unit, in terms of, like, having to feel like you need to bring it again and again, not really maybe getting the rest that you're looking for either, I think that's where good life back and field. that's. where leadership comes in. It's it's all perspective it's all how you look at things. Is the glass glass half full or is it half empty? And I think every time we got on the field we we thought thought of it as an opportunity to show how great we truly are And I think when. we looked at it that way, it was an exciting opportunity. We're playing against the MVP of league. Our our offense is putting us in as tough a position. How great are we? Are we that great? Yes, we are. And let's prove it again. And let's prove it again and again and again and again as many at times as it takes for them to get the point. And we ended up winning that game, in overtime. And and and it kinda shows a a a different level of resilience when you're when you're up against those kind of circumstances and you don't fold. You don't start to eat each other. You don't start to to point the fingers and and start to collapse. But you're almost emboldened. You're almost emboldened by that opportunity that you have to really really show the metal that you're built of. It's almost like a a turnover happens and you say. thank you for the opportunity to show me what's happening, which is unbelievable. You know, at Rubrik, we have, we've had this statement from the early days when they started the company. I wasn't here, but when the founder started it, they had this mentality of, like, assume breach, which was that a lot of security or a lot of companies and a lot of security organizations were like, here's how we're gonna prevent the wrong thing from happening. But Rubrik had this mentality of essentially, look. Something bad is going to happen. That turnover is going to happen. It's an inevitable part of the game. What really actually ends up mattering and I think ends up delineating champions from those that maybe go eight, nine, or have a regular season is, whether or not they can be resilient to when that turnover particularly happens. And it's funny because I always like that assume breach mentality because it's turning everything on its head. It's like, yes. Things are gonna go wrong. Thank you for the opportunity, essentially, to be able to show me... To show you all why that action isn't mattering. 100100% the one of the greatest coaches we had and he always said this, he said Murphy's Law and Murphy's Law is everything that could go wrong will go wrong and you have to. thrive in situations where Murphy's Law is having a day and I think that's that's something we always thought about and that's something we always took to heart we we always assume the worst would happen and we're built for It's such a separation, I think. And I just wanna double click on this mindset piece. You know, I had that slide up earlier that it was about, like, defense wins championships. You know, we talked previously right before this that, like, I think you also like the Colin Coward podcast, and one of the things that he's often brought up is, like, hey. It's becoming an offensive game. Right? And we talk about these, like, offensive minds. Kyle Shanahan, on 40 niners coach, I think, like, brilliant offensive mind. People often often credit with a lot of play calling. But offensive... Offenses have a particular way that they think about the world, the thing... That the way they think about the, you know, what they need to do. In cyber, oftentimes, the way that an offensive threat actor is thinking is I just need to find the one vulnerability. Like, you have all sorts of different, like, systems in there. I just need to find the one. When you think about building a defensive culture, what do you think is, like, the mindset that you need to take and adopt when you're thinking about, like, defensive cultures versus what a lot of times gets, I think, a lot of the headlines and attention is, like, how do we think about that offensive, creative, hook and lateral play? Like, what's kind of the core mindset and mantra going through your mind on defensive cultures? It's really similar to that, and I think that's why you see a lot of the great defenses winning Super Bowls and and and Super Bowl games. It's because a great defense is thinking the same way. We're attacking. We're attacking. There there are weaknesses in this offense. We're not reacting to what you're doing. We're dictating the pace. And I think a great defense can dictate the way an offense attacks. Hey. You only have these these few ways, these few lanes you can drive in. We're gonna constrict the way that you can maneuver. We're gonna constrict the way that you can operate and how you can operate. We're gonna corner you into the corner we want you in and then see if you can operate that well. You got a right handed quarterback. He likes to throw to this side of the field. We're gonna close that side of the field and see if you can operate left handed. Can you do it? Can you can you be an expert at the things that statistically and analytically we've seen you don't do well? We're gonna force you to live up in those things. If you don't run the ball well, we're gonna force you to to run it on us the whole game, and we're gonna live by those principles. And we're gonna... We're we're not gonna deviate from that plan. If your left guard isn't good, we're gonna attack him relentlessly. Whatever the case may be, every team is different, but I think a great defense is just as aggressive as a great offense. And that's why usually in these Super Bowls, defenses have seen everything the offense has to offer going up to a Super Bowl that's why you you see in the Super Bowl game great defensive plays usually turn the tide because again I'm attacking what I know your weakness to to be and you can't adjust in a great way at this point. You have you have built yourself. You have calloused this offense. Your identity is set and defense can be a little bit more fluid at times. Like I can... I have parts and aspects of my defense that could be a little bit more creative and fluid than you can be because you have to you have to run a play that you've already written out, you've already drawn. And what we do on defense is so reactive that it's not always lines on a sheet. I love that. I think, people don't often think about the... Or I guess, I would say aggressive comes to mind first at an offensive setting. Like, you know, if I... If you tell me that they had a really aggressive side, I'd be like, oh, great. Like, they must have been running it right down their throats. But actually being able to apply that same mentality towards defenses, I think, you know, it's probably like the unlock that you had as you thought about your leadership in the career. I wanna shift gears a little bit from, some of your career that was within football and actually talk about some of the achievements that you've had stretching, off the field too. So, yeah, I remember, even even when we're playing against you, there's a lot to like because you were, like, one of the most intelligent players that I felt, like, existed on the field. You had to be to be, like, a defensive quarterback in particular. You need to be able to see and react in so many different ways. But now also, I think your achievements are going into, sports broadcasting. You do some venture capital as well, as I understand it. Tell me a little bit about some of the more cutting edge tech or tech innovations that you're either, you know, that you're excited about today. What you're seeing when it comes towards technology that you think you're either excited about already or maybe optimistic about what they'll develop into the future? Well, I I I think I'm one of the the crazy old school guys that that is waiting for the the virtual reality space to turn into ready player one. And. so I'm still sitting here fingers crossed, you know, that things continue to advance in that space. But, I love what I'm seeing from AI in some aspects. Obviously, I don't love handicapping kids and and and giving them, you know, the tools that that kind of almost mute their growth and mute their their ability to do things on their own, whether it's reading, whether it's writing, whether it's is developing unique and cognitive thoughts, without just feeling like, hey. I just need to find the right question to ask the AI, the chatbot. I think, so you know, just like anything else, there are positives and and negatives to every every bit of growth that we have in every aspect of society, but that's one I'm, you know, I kinda keep an eye on and I I talk talk to my kids about it pretty frequently just not leaning on that too much. You know, like, it's like people people leaning on a calculator. I see. You still need to know how to do two plus two is four. You still need to know how to to to do math on your own. Sure. You could use the calculator for complex things to to get an answer quick, but if you lose the ability to hunt, you lose the ability to to read, you lose the ability to process things on your own, then we become a much different society. So, yeah. And and and the in the simplest forum, I'm I'm excited for what virtual reality is doing. There's some concern with AI, but, you know, that's that's the world. Yeah. Absolutely. And I feel like technologies often have, like, a dual edged sword towards them. Right? Like, when the Internet first came out, there was all the positive benefits people were anticipating. There's also a lot of negative concerns people had, and some of them have panned out in that way. And, you know, it's kind of, applied both sides. We, we work and live in the AI space, every day. I was a founder of an AI startup, that I've been building for four and a half years. I'm curious, like, is there any sort of almost ask you'd have to the AI industry like, a goal that you think that the industry maybe should start to think about a little bit differently or make sure that they prioritize? Nothing other than what the the concerns that I've already brought up is just... And and. I don't really I don't really have a viable solution to it. You know, sometimes things grow so fast and and the the idea behind it and the the mindset and the mentality behind it is so overly pop, positive. And and, you know, Perfect. I think the intentionality of it is is correct, but the repercussions, you know, what what is the true scope of those repercussions? And, and I'm I'm sure they're they're they're conscious of it, but, you know, again, when you're focused on your goal at hand, sometimes you ignore, the potential pitfalls and the potential consequences because that's, you know, those those aren't your puzzles to solve. And, Yeah. so I, you know, I would I would say be conscious of that, but, you know, at the end of the day, they're they're pushing the envelope trying to see as far how far, it can go. Yeah. How far can we get to superintelligence? But you feel like you have to have that voice in your head that's also around the lines of, like, how do you make sure that you do this in a way that's, like, safe, secure, and governed, as was? something you you were saying earlier like the the the 60% doom or or 60%. doom scenarios or... You know, I mean, it seems like there's... They're conscious. Yeah. The, the p doom, P doom. doom, I feel like has become a... I I don't know about you, but I feel like if I go to San... Like, if I'm out to dinner in San Francisco, there's a nontrivial chance that I overhear someone talking about, you know, PD or something along those lines. It's like in the air, and, obviously, in San Francisco, it's a lot of the folks that are working in the labs and others that are there. I wanna, like, make sure we have an opportunity to get the audience involved as well. A number of them have been lining up some questions here for q and a. So I'll just go ahead and read out, a few. And, maybe look... You know, the first one is looking at the league today. Who's your favorite defensive player to watch? What do you think makes them special? My favorite defensive player... I mean, it's it's changed a little bit, but I... Patrick Struttan. Patrick Struttan, he's playing corner, at a really high level. Christian Gonzales out in New England is another guy. I just like DB playing. I like it played at a high level, and those guys are the best in the business right now. I like JC Horn out in, Carolina. He's out for the season now, but he gets the football. He plays at Derek Stingley. He's having a rough year right now, but he has done some really cool things and and made some plays, Witherspoon out in Seattle. I just like the great DB play. That's perfect. And, yeah, Patrick Sutan has been a phenomenal player to watch, I think, over the last, last number of years. You played a position... The next question was, you played a position where you had to anticipate what the offense was going to do, but you could never know exactly what was coming. How did you prepare yourself and your teammates to respond when the play didn't go the way you expected? I want to teach my team how to overcome when things don't go the way we expect. And kind of the sub... They they just repeated as a sub question. How do you ensure that the other teammates are as prepared as you are? I guess I'll go with the first question first. I mean, you're... That's always the expectation. You go in with a plan of how you're going to to defend these people, and sometimes it doesn't go to plan. But, again, I think a lot of it is is staying poised, staying together, and being able to communicate what those problems are, what went wrong, how we can get those things fixed. Was it a guy out of a gap? Is that what led to the big run? And was it a coverage bust where two guys just miscommunicated? Is that why there was a forty, fifty yard pass? It's not always physical. It's not always, hey. This guy just beat this guy, and we can't do anything about it. A lot of times, it's strategic. Can we call a better coverage? Can we get us in a better position? Can we give him a little bit more help? Can can we put a little bit more responsibility on somebody else to take a little bit of responsibility off somebody who's struggling? I think those are the things that as a leader, as a coach, you have to you have to do. There are players that you can lean on a little bit more. There are players that you can ask more from, and sometimes that's what it comes down to. Players have to make plays. And then how can you make sure guys that are preparing in the same way you are? Bring them along. Bring them along. Like, we we had player only meetings. We had meetings after meetings. After we got out on Friday and everything was done, all three levels of the defense would come in together and and just make sure, hey. On these couple plays that we know are gonna be issues in this game, what are we doing? Are we seeing this the same? Everybody's here. You're gonna take that gap. You're gonna take this gap. I'm gonna take this gap. If they break through, hey. This is how we're gonna corral it. We're gonna stay on top. We're gonna make them walk the ball to the red zone. How are we gonna execute here? And, sure, you're dealing with a lot of alpha males. You're dealing with a lot of personalities. But, again, if the end goal is the same, that's what you challenge them with. You challenge them with their own ambition. Do you really wanna win? Do you really wanna be champions? If that's the case, then, again, ego's enemy. Shut up and listen. We, not me. It's not about you. It's not about you. How can we as a team? Sometimes you may have to just take on a block. I'm a corner. I'm used to getting the football and covering guys. But if there's a pulling guard and I'm the last guy on the edge and I gotta turn it back to my linebackers, it's not a it's not a glorious job. It's not a glorious part of the job. But in terms of the bigger picture and the greater team defense, those are the sacrifices that I have to make. And I think guys need to understand that daily. I feel like that daily piece actually is a nice, segue into the next question, which was... You... We talked a little bit about fatigue. This question is how burnout is huge in cybersecurity teams. People are seeing kind of, like, constant alerts, constant threats. How did you maintain peak physical and mental performance over a grueling 16 game season? Say that one more time. Sorry. No problem. Yeah. So the question's around burnout. It's really huge in cybersecurity teams, and I think it's... It should happen over a grueling 16 game season. How did you maintain peak physical and mental performance over a grueling 16 game season and prevent burnout? What do you think people who prevented burnout or fatigue did better than the ones... Or differently, let's say, than ones that maybe did experience burnout or fatigue? There there has to be another element to it. I think in our building, I think our coaching staff did a great job. We're grinding. We're in meetings. We're doing all this, but in between meetings, they're playing music. You know, we got basketball courts. We're doing a lot of things. And when it's time to lock in, everybody locks in. I think you gotta keep it fun. Yeah. But also strict. You got... You you have your time that you're working and you're grinding, but there has to be something in between that. It can't just be just beat this into the ground. Like, there has to be breaks where you guys can come together and do things that take your mind away from the thing that you're working on, that that allow your mind to just get away for for a couple minutes a day, a couple... Maybe it's five, ten minutes. I know it seems like, oh, man. We only have so much time in the day, and we can't do that. Those ten, fifteen minutes could be the difference between a guy that that takes your company and takes your your your firm to the next step, the next level, or takes your team, or the guy that burns out and has a mental breakdown. Like, you have to understand these are human beings and not robots. And and in that element, you have to find... Again, sometimes it takes a little bit more work to figure out what they do well. I think that's why you you saw a lot of these companies like Google and Facebook, you know, putting these pods in there, putting things to make their employees a little bit more comfortable, maybe giving them more food, maybe giving them a video game area to... For the thirty minutes they're off. You wanna go play video games? Go do it. But we need you in thirty minutes to be back to locked in on the assignment that we have at hand. But I think there is a portion. I feel like, this is actually a big learning too. It's, people don't burn out from, from, like, too much work or something along those lines. People burn out because they feel like they're not making positive progress against their ambition. Like, that's essentially the primary thing. Right? And so if you can help them, like, a, step back away from that, you know, and basically be in a different light, see what that goal, like, light at the end of the tunnel might look like, which maybe happens from a basketball game or otherwise. And also just understand, like, life is good. You know? Right. You're you're... You've got a lot of different things to to be happy about. I think it's, it's a really positive way to be able to prevent that. And I think you just you just helped me think about it but I think making people feel seen. Like sometimes. a guy's grinding and does not feel seen at all. You know, he feels that he... You may know how important he is. You may know how valuable he is. You may think he knows how valuable he is and and how value... What you think of him. But sometime going over and telling somebody, hey, you're doing a great job. Hey. Yeah. Like like, there there shouldn't be a limit on compliments. There shouldn't be a limit on encouragement on a team. You know, I think leadership going out of its way to encourage the people that are grinding and pushing, it goes much further than you can ever compute. And, you know, when I first stepped into, like, management leadership roles, one of the things that surprised me was how impactful that was relative to, like, other things as well. It's like you can pay bonuses and everything else along those lines, but the amount... Kinda, like, satisfaction that people get, I think, from recognition, it's a different part of the brain almost that, like, feels like it fires and improves, like, your overall satisfaction what you're doing. No question. The next question's... It's a little funny, but the question starts off by saying, you've covered the best receivers in the game. So who was the hardest receiver that you felt you had to cover during your career? And the follow-up, what do you think is scarier, that receiver or unpredictable AI? We can start off with just who the receiver was. Well, I mean, there's a couple guys that that come to mind. Calvin Johnson, it was all. of six six running four three, jumping 42 inches in the air. I mean, just a guy that's gonna gonna make it a long day. And and that does a lot of things very very well that's why he has a gold jacket he's all of Fame receiver and he only played seven years and you gotta prepare in a different way. You can't let him get to his spots. You gotta you gotta understand that your physical limitations and his physical limitations are different. You have to... I think sometimes that's the honest conversation you have to have with yourself. I think being... That's one part about being great at what you do. Hey. What are my weaknesses? What are the things that I'm not doing well right now because that's how they're gonna attack me? And I can't just say, I'm great at everything. Don't worry about that. I'm great at everything. They're not gonna attack anything. No. I... There there are weaknesses in my game. Where are they? And what are they? And how can I put myself in position where those are the least bit exposed? And I think that's what I've always tried to keep in mind, and that's what I kept in mind when I played Calvin. I would not let him get into the spots. People were double and triple teaming him. We weren't gonna do that. We're gonna play him one on one, but if I never let him get to his spot, if I cut him off on the sideline and don't give Stafford enough room to fit the ball in there, then then it becomes a non threat. I'm not really worried about a jump ball. It's we're both over six three. Like, I'm gonna get up there too. Can he put it in the perfect spot? If he does, I'm gonna make it dang hard for Calvin to get up there to get it. And just anticipate the things that could go wrong, the things that they could you do... Use against me and play accordingly. I don't know what it feels like to be attacked by AI. So, I can't speak on how crazy that will be. I I could speak about guarding guys in front of millions of people, and it's pretty tough. You know? Any any... You could have 58 good plays. And if that fifty ninth is a touchdown they're gonna talk really really bad about you and that's how it feels to to to be defense defensive AI I'm sure. I know that question was for Richard, but I would rather, figure out how to protect against AI than have to tackle Calvin Johnson because that would go in my favor zero times out of a 100. Alright. One more audience question, and then there's one or two on predictions that I think we're almost rubbed on that side. In cyber defense, we're always studying known attack patterns, but bad actors often do something that's unexpected, and that's where something ends up slipping through. AI on top of that is very unpredictable. For football games, you study tape and you watch, you know, how the players have played live on the field before. But can you walk us through a moment when something very unexpected happened? Potentially, a new play that the opponent hadn't shown before or something that was much harder to foresee or anticipate. Yeah. I mean, that's happened all the time. Happens two three times a game where they do something totally unexpected but you just fall back on your principles and you you put take note of it you do your best to mitigate the damage you know especially in the back end you try not to make that that mistake critical. You get him down so that you give yourself another another chance to play our coach always say give us a blade of grass to defend and we will defend it but you have to give yourself a blade of grass so it's it's making sure that mistake isn't exponentially quantified. It's it's... It doesn't turn into a bigger issue. You get it contained. You get to the red zone at least in our sport. Hey. Do we get them down for the five yard line? So we got five yards to defend. They haven't scored. Now we can make the correction. Now we can make an adjustment. We can talk about it later. Don't start pointing fingers. Don't start getting angry at each other. We'll figure out how to get this problem mitigated, situated, hold them to three points, and then we'll get to the sideline and figure out how we can play better and how we can make an adjustment to that play that they had. Richard, I do, I do an AI podcast, and I tell my podcast guest there's there's no way that you can end a podcast without ending without a few predictions. Alright. And so I didn't wanna turn that on you. I feel like it's the Richard Sherman legacy ball happening this Sunday, with the forty niners playing the Seahawks, two of your teams that you were very famously wearing jerseys for. Do you have a side on this that you think might end up winning this weekend? Well, I think they're pretty evenly matched. Obviously, I I think before the commander's game, I would have probably had Seattle on this game winning. I think that game kind of exposed some things and some concerns for me for this team, that aren't easily corrected. Offensively they just have really struggled on third down and San Francisco's been fantastic on third down. They're the best team in the league on third down. They're the best team in the league in the red zone. And Seattle offensively has struggled in both of those ways. I think they're thirty first and on third down and they're like seventeenth, in the red zone. And so defensively both teams have played really well. I wanna say Yeah. San Francisco has been statistically a tick tick better in terms of scoring defense I think they're third and Seahawks are are fifth but it's gonna come to that third down efficiency, how well Brock Purdy plays. And and and on the flip side, what can Sam Donald do? Can Sam Donald get over that that turnover... Those those costly turnovers that he's had over the last few weeks? And it... Again, he's only two games into this season. He he went out the first game in the first drive, and he's still getting his rhythm within the game. The run game has also been a struggle for the Seattle Seahawks, and, obviously, they were trying to to sign Joe Mixon. That one didn't work out. They haven't found a way to replace the the production of Kenneth Walker, and I think that's gonna be a factor in this game. I I think in a very tough division game in a in a in a matchup that was dominated by the Seahawks last year. I think they find a way to get it done. Their offensive line hasn't given up a sack this season. The forty niners offensive line hasn't given up a sack, and they're playing great football. I'd be. surprised they lost this one. Unbelievable, especially with all the injuries and other things the niners have been, dealing with. My dad thinks that Brock Purdy is a shoo in for the MVPs in the, your top two or three list for, yeah. how. things are turning out to the season. Yeah. Things get crazy. at the end of the season. It's... It doesn't matter how you play in January... I mean, in in September. It matters how you play play in January and December. I think he has a good chance this year, but he's gonna have to play well down the stretch. Yeah. Absolutely. Last one for you, Richard. Any Super Bowl predictions? Who do you think might end up, doing well this particular year? I really have no idea right now. It's such a... It's such an unpredictable league. I mean, the lazy prediction in me wants to say, I mean, either Kansas City, San Francisco, or Kansas City, Seattle. I think it's gonna be an NFC championship game between San Francisco and Seattle, and this will be a preview this week. But on the AFC side, it could just really go either way. You know? So many, like, unpredictable teams and weird matchups. Like, can Kansas City beat Jacksonville? You know? That's one of those things where you're like, k nine has made a a really big difference, but Jacksonville's. defense really has been great. And then Buffalo, will they ever play defense good enough to to, like, give Josh Allen a chance to beat Patrick Mahomes? Like, that's... We'll see. Thank you so much, Richard. This was an awesome conversation and absolutely had a blast with you. Wish that that one deflected task hadn't happened, but apart from that, you're welcome over anytime. I, appreciate you know, it. this was a lot of fun. Thank you for doing it. Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure. Of course. This is fun. Yeah. That was a good talk? Yeah. Awesome. It was a good time. I got a a ping that it's gonna, like, shut down and ride at 12:30. So I was like, alright. Time, to... I. hit the brake hit the brakes on it. Richard, thank you so much for doing that. That was a really fun conversation, honestly. And, like, the perspective you shared, I think everything from burnout and the need to have fun towards, like, what it actually looks like to feel like you are anticipating and practicing and defenses just as aggressive, just as much of a player on this as offense. Like, it was actually very, very fun for me, on that side. I saw a lot of positive comments throughout chat, so really appreciate you being able to share your perspective on this and taking an hour out of your day for it. Jeffrey, we know we're still hot. We know we're still live, guys. That's why we're having a great conversation. This is a recap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're not gonna say anything incredibly embarrassing at this point, but... Right. I I. I enjoyed it, though. I really enjoyed it. I I thought those were really insightful questions, things I haven't really thought about in a really long time. But there are so many cool correlations and and connections, in this industry. And, it's just leadership and teams and making people feel valued. I don't think that'll ever expire. I don't think there... There'll ever be a time where where that expires. And I think the more people... Some people... Not that sports is everything sports isn't everything but the things you learn from sports really apply to other aspects of life that I think some people if you didn't play sports it's harder to learn those lessons and develop those things and hopefully this helps some people Yeah. You know, my company got acquired, into cybersecurity. I was in pure AI, and we got acquired in cybersecurity. So cyber and security defense has been near to me over the last year and a half. But it's incredible to think about, like, the preparation mindset and everything else, like, how much it actually translates to our day to day work. Yes. So, again, thank you so much. Have a great rest of your week. I imagine you're gonna be watching intently this Sunday. So we we both know who you're rooting for, and, you know, very excited to hopefully be able to do this again with you at some point. Sounds good. I appreciate you. Enjoy your week. Yeah.